Revival Starts With A Turned Heart

God designed us to hear Him, and a daily rhythm of listening is not optional for a healthy heart. When we feel restless, anxious, or dull, it’s usually a sign our heart is believing something untrue, and the first move is not striving harder. It’s turning toward God, because He is nearer than we imagine.

Revival is a waking-up to God's agenda in the present time, and His people are invited to listen, receive, and surrender. We talk about why humility and repentance keep showing up in every genuine move of God, and we ground that in Scripture, including Acts 3:19 and the promise of “times of refreshing” from the presence of the Lord. We also reflect on Daniel 9 and that stunning line that reshapes how we pray: we ask not because we are righteous, but because of God’s great mercy.

We discuss lordship and ownership and the places in our heart we still grip with a closed fist, and why surrender can feel scary even when we trust God’s goodness. If you’ve felt like you’re “circling the mountain” and having the same inner conversations again, we offer encouragement: God isn’t wasting time, and He isn’t trying to condemn you. He’s faithfully leading you forward, one heart-turn at a time.

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Transcript

Welcome To The Table

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Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast. I'm Anthony Moore. And I'm Dan Lamus. For over a decade, Anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical, and the matters of the heart.

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And we invite you into these weekly conversations. We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table. So pull up a chair, settle in, and let's get started.

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Here we are. Here we are. Here we are once again. Here we are once again.

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Yeah.

Building A Daily Habit Of Listening

SPEAKER_03 0:32

All right. How's it going, Dan? It's been going good. Yeah. Going well. Yeah, it's uh yeah. We are getting getting ready for our conversation today. I it sounds like a simple thing, and yet it bears repeating that I'm so grateful for grateful that God has designed us to be able to hear from him. Yes. And I'm just re grateful on the on a regular basis that, you know, regardless of how a day feels or the beginning of a day feels, I I know that my my first my first go-to is to come to God and say, please make sense of where my mind's at, where my heart is today. And I know hearing you is absolutely the most important thing that can happen for the rest of my day. And I'm just really grateful for a heritage that taught me to do that. Yeah. I've come to this point in my life, and it's it's just such a habit of my life that I don't know, I don't know how I would handle life if I didn't have that practice. Uh it's just, you know, uh so just I don't know. I'm just really grateful for the the rhythm of life that says every day you need to listen for God. I'm not saying that every day I hear a profound earth-shaking thing, but I can say I don't go a day without saying I need to listen for God. Yeah. With anticipation. He wants to speak to me even more than I want to hear him. It's like, you know, and I'm just really grateful for that flow of life, e maybe especially on ordinary days. I don't know. Yeah. But every day, really.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

I I hear you, man. I I am really um thankful. You know, there are I mean, again, sometimes it hits you a little, probably more profoundly than others, but um at least in the last week I had a moment where I was just so grateful for the like the closeness of God. Like how how near near He is, and how um, yeah, it's just near. I think that's the best way to say it because it's like that comes out in a few ways in my mind, like just the fact that he's just not just that he's near, but he's always near, and he's uh basically a turn like a turn of the heart away, right? Like that it's not um it's not the thing that we have to jump over some you know hurdles or you know, you know what I'm saying? The hurdle is the turning of the heart, right? Like so it's it's not like I've just been really grateful for that and really grateful. I think, you know, we talk a lot about how our heart needs to be convinced of things where we know the, you know, our head knows the biblical answer. Right. But our heart has yet to be convinced. And I and I feel like I feel like my heart is is becoming convinced that like like I don't earn I don't have to earn my way to him. Now I don't know, I I'm gonna say it's a little I don't know if it's uh fully convinced yet, but I feel like it's growing in this conviction. Right. That I'm you know, I feel like I'm growing in my belief that I don't have to, because there's an economy that sometimes comes up in within you that you feel like you have to, you're you're doing this for earning. Like and so I feel like I don't know, just just and it creeps into these, like it's not saying it's like, you know, uh it creeps into these small little nooks and crannies of like, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Right, what's the motivation of your heart? You know, these especially things that you do for God. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, you know, it's a lot of a lot of times. I feel like I feel like my heart is, you know, I feel like God's convincing my heart these days that you know you don't have to earn anything. And I'm just right here. Right.

SPEAKER_03 4:43

Well, I I like that what you that expression you just used, that it's like he's just a turn, a turn of my heart away.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Like I'd like to say that I'd like to say that I came up with that, but I'm pretty sure I just heard it. I just heard it recently.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

It's so good because it's it it just really does. It feels so real to our experience as human beings that um it's not like my whole life has to make a big adjustment. Yeah, my heart for some reason is believing something. If I'm restless, anxious, whatever, my heart is believing something that isn't true. Yeah, and God, I want to turn my heart toward you instead of away in this moment. I really love that. That's great. It reminds me of David saying, you know, asking himself, why are you why are you so downcast within me, my soul? You know, it's like he's asking himself inwardly, yeah, hey, I know things are I know things are great because the sovereign Lord is caring for me. Yeah, why am I so upset inwardly? What what's what's going on there? Yeah, and it's a healthy thing to know, yeah, it's a matter of turning to God, and it's not and you don't have to earn that right to do that. Yeah. Amazing.

God Is Near With A Heart Turn

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Yeah, it's good, good, good, good. Well, um this seems like a good time for a segue. It does. Yeah, yeah. The yeah the plane has landed uh on that uh subject line. But um just we we're we're heading into a season of where we're just you know, for us here in this house at King's Church, we're heading into a season where we're kind of like intent, we've carved out and we've seemed to have carved out this space uh annually for at least I'm gonna say the last number of years, because I don't remember exactly. It's probably been four or five years now, where we've carved out this this part in the calendar year where we dive into uh you know going after God intentionally. Yeah where we've we've carved out some nights, we've carved out some time to intentionally it's not like we don't seek the face face of God the rest of the year, but there just seems to be something special about these these days in this season that we're walking into where we're um we're intentionally positioning ourselves for more. We're intentionally positioning ourselves to be in prayer more. We're we're you know, we're coordinating our prayer efforts, you know. Right. So I just making an investment. Yeah, making an investment with God. Absolutely, yeah. And and one of the one of the things that I felt like it would be fun to talk about this morning would be just the the subject of revival. And even just talk a little bit about how you and I have felt like God's spoken to us over the years about revival. And uh just just uh just to kind of just dive in and see see where we end up with that. Because I think one of the things that uh, you know, just to kick us off, is there is a, you know, you and I have been around for a while, yeah. Um specifically in this house as well. And one of the things I think, you know, I don't know if I would call it revival, though in its truest sense of the word, there was, like in terms of where we were, you know, uh almost 14 years ago now, right? Uh and what we came out of and what we stepped into. Right, you know, and it it wasn't maybe necessarily there, the whatever the the caricature of a revival uh that you may um you know you may have conjure up in your mind or whatever you may picture. Uh you mean we may have called it an awakening, but there was, yeah, you know, according to let me let me say this. Uh I think, you know, according to that, you know, Acts 3.19, it's the the times of refreshing. Yeah. Uh yeah, that I think we experienced in that season an awakening or a time of refreshing because it very much was a repentance season. Yes. So, you know, I guess maybe I can just use that. Like, I feel like we've, you know, we've been through these seasons in our in at least, you know, I've been a part of, like I was a part of uh, you know, I wasn't intimately connected with this, but I've been to places where there either was a revival going on, you've been to uh places where there was a world-famous revival going on. You know, we've been in these rooms where the the presence of God is, there's you know, there's all kinds of things happening. And, you know, just I wonder, like maybe give me your thoughts on maybe before we just jump into where we think God's leading us, but where like what's what's that been like for you to be in those rooms where there's there's a hunger, there's a a sense of the freedom of the presence of God to move and the Holy Spirit to do what he wants to do.

Revival Means God Has An Agenda

SPEAKER_03 10:08

A couple of things jump jump up right away. One is one is becoming aware again of how intentional God is about about the present time. Yes, you know, like we're we're living in the realness of you know, 2026 and we're moving through this year. We have all these things that that we're aware of that are going on in our lives. And in a in a revival season, the church becomes very aware that God has intention over this time. Yes, like God isn't just observing what's going on on earth, he actually has an agenda, a mission, intentional things he's looking for. And I guess we could say it this way. I don't know if it sounds crass or not, or simplistic, but God is on mission during this year. Like you want to pick any date on the calendar and say like he has an agenda. Yeah, like he's not just curious what hey, I wonder what's going on on earth. That was so that was so crass, Dan. I just don't want to oversimplify it. I mean, like I know you mean like that that's that God so in revival, one thing is we become aware again, God has intentions over this era that I'm living in. Yeah, for me, for his church. So that's one thing that tends to happen in revival. God gets our attention. I am here, I am present. You need to be in a position of listening, receiving, surrendering to my agenda. That's what needs to happen. And that leads very easily to humility, like humbling ourselves. There's always a call to humble ourselves in revival. Yep, because if we're being awakened to, hey, my people, I've got something going on and you need to listen, we can really we can we can assume we probably weren't listening, yeah, and we had grown dull to seeking God's agenda. Yes, and so there's this natural progression to time to be humble before God. So so usually there's a a leader, a preacher, a leadership team who begins to discern this on behalf of a body of people, in this case, Kingdom King's Church, the church that we're we're part of. Um there's there's there's a leader or a leader leadership team that gets a gets an idea that God has something intentional he wants us to hear, see, respond to. Yeah, but those things jump up right away. An awareness that, and it's the fear of the Lord that comes in on you. Yes, like, oh yes, that's right, God, we are yours, we don't belong to ourselves, we are your church, we are surrendered to your purposes, and then this humbling and repentance, as you mentioned, yeah, of saying, Wow, all the things we know of where we were distracted from your purpose, God, and from your heart, we surrender those in repentance. Absolutely. And we're not gonna try to piece this together, we want to listen for you so that you can piece it back together. And so yeah.

Repentance And Times Of Refreshing

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Well, I was just I was just thinking, like speaking, just jumping on that repentance piece, you know, just looking here at Acts 3 19, right? So it's it's uh pretty sure this is Peter. Uh yes. This is Peter, right? Yes, this is the this is the uh hey, the Holy Spirit's come, yeah, fallen, and Peter's giving the most uh seeker, insensitive message ever. Yeah. Uh but but basically there it is he's saying uh just I'm just gonna read it here. It says, Repent therefore, turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus. Uh and to me, you know, there's probably that's the the call to the the people in his, you know, in earshot of what Peter's preaching here.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

But those people would be assuming they were doing it right.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Yeah, absolutely. Shocking. Yes. But the but the funny thing, I mean, the the thing I want to call out is this sounds very familiar to 2 Chronicles 7.14. Yeah, right. 2 Chronicles? 1 Chronicles. Anyway, this uh Chronicles 7.14, where it's like, uh, if my people who called by who are called by my name, yes, will humble themselves and pray, yes, turn from their wicked ways, seek my face. Yes, and then I will hear from uh heaven and heal their land. Yes. And it was really so it's like the prom the the thing that begins with repentance turning, yeah, right, seeking God, then the promise of what comes on the other side of that.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Right.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

And I just I just think that that's a very key thing. Like I feel like uh the notion, and again, I I believe that God orchestrates these things, right? So it's not like we can listen, you work long enough and your pa your passion and and your zeal will wear thin at times, right? Right. And it's like your your passion and your zeal aren't. I feel like I'm getting into something else here, but just your passion and your zeal aren't uh aren't the thing that brings what I just read.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

Yes, that yes, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:38

It is, yeah, it really is. There are these times and seasons where God seems to bear down, he stirs his it's not that repentance is never repentance is always on the table. Right. And he's always working in, he's always working in people's hearts to convict, right? To convict and say, hey, there's a better way of living. You know, why are why are you living in that pig slop? Um, but the the idea is is that God there seems to be these seasons where God is leading his leads his people into this place where they they look again, they acknowledge, you know, uh their sinfulness, they acknowledge their limitations, they acknowledge their brokenness and dysfunction. Right. They turn from that. There's the heart turning first, where it's like, I just say, God, this is not the way that I should be living. And I turn to you and I just begins there, right? Right. And I'm just saying it's my sin in your goodness and in your mercy. Come and deal with that. Right. Right. So so I just to say like I just feel like, you know, there are times and seasons, and again, we've I feel like we've walked through, I've, you know, walked through those things personally, walked through those things corporately where we feel the adjustment, but it's it's sort of been like the sovereign, you know, these things that that God is stirring up for the house as well. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

Yeah, right. Well, so to revive something means that at one point there was life there. Yeah. And for whatever reason, reason deadness has crept in, yeah, it's beginning to atrophy. There's less life than there used to be. Perhaps it's even you know almost dead in in some ways. Yeah. So to revive it means you bring it back to life. Right. So the fact that uh a church similar to ours that would say every year we we want to seek God for revival, really what we're saying is we we want a gut check, we want a heart check where we're where we're coming before God in humility, accepting the fact that we're that we're prone. Yeah, when we start taking over, we're prone to start experiencing deadness, yes, and yes, and weakening and getting off track.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Yeah, we're saying like we're operating on the assumption that this happens in like we're inviting the Holy Spirit to come in, have a look, yes, you know, search me, oh God.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

Totally, and that's such an important part of it, because we're not we're not like examining our life and saying, okay, here's where I think I'm getting off track. We're saying, I don't know, God. You're the only one who truly can judge me in that, and you know what your agenda is. I want, I want to begin this by saying, search my heart, know me. And we're doing this as a church to say absolutely we're accepting the fact that we are we are prone to wander off. And so we're saying, God, in whatever way we've done that, we humble ourselves before you, and we really are waiting on him to begin stirring us about what his agenda is.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Yeah, what is it that's on his heart? Absolutely. Um, because I guess I guess some things like we may know some things like that. I mean, they may things come to mind. I was like, okay, that's definitely out of whack. Right. But there is plenty of things that I'm sure that we may not know. Right.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

But for instance, we might not we might not know why we're off track there. Yeah, perhaps we started striving and running after things in our own strength, but we don't know why. And part of revival is God, reveal our hearts. Why do we run? Why did why did we get off track? Yeah, sometimes that's where revival starts. Yes, because he wants to show us well, you said yes to my will, but you didn't trust me to do it my way. Yeah, and we're like, oh God, yeah, we don't want to do that. We're so sorry, and we just and more than sorry, we want to get back on track. For sure. So you're like, but all that is in it's in response to what he is bringing forward, which I just go back to the Acts 3 scene. You know, they they pe I believe this is the way it flowed. People witnessed what happened on this day of Pentecost. They saw the, they heard the wind, they saw the flames, they witnessed people's sharing the gospel in language they didn't know. People were hearing the gospel, yeah. In a from somebody who doesn't even speak their language, they're witnessing all this. Um, and then Peter, like you said, he just lays out reality.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

You know, he's he basically you killed Jesus. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

Like you, you God sent the Messiah and you killed him. Yeah, and they're cut to the heart. And I think they're like, Well, what do we do? Yeah, right. And I think that's what Peter responded. Well, it's gonna involve repentance, like that's a big thing, you know. And and um, you know, that's it's beautiful to know that like to anticipate man, if we actually open our hearts and seek the sovereign Lord to speak to us about what is on his heart, yeah, he will respond. He will respond, and that's the beginning of revival, in my opinion, is letting him speak to us with the with the anticipation he has an agenda. Um can I jump onto one something? Because it's kind of in in the beginning of what you read there in Acts, I think Peter uh think Peter referred to them as people of God or people who bear his name or something like that. Because it reminded me of a scripture that that God has used with me in in the area of revival that I wanted to I in preparation for our conversation, I was thinking of this scripture.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

But how did it go there at the beginning of the well it actually so I think just for the theologians in the room, we're actually in two different places because we're talking about Peter saying that times of refreshing would come. This is actually right after he Peter and John healed heal the lame and thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Yes. Because I had I did have us in another place. All the heretic hunters out there can just like take the chill pill. But yeah, like uh, but I just think that like uh because that message was not to the Israelites, but it was to the the beggar that was sealed, the lame beggar that was sealed.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

So how does it go again?

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Yeah, so Peter and John going, you know, this is the part where you know the famous Peter saying, I don't silver or gold, I don't have okay, yeah, but uh what I have I give to you in the name of Jesus. Get up and walk. And then the guy follows them, and then while they uh oh, actually, so here we go, here we go. So now we're into this. So they saw the people around saw this, and then he addresses them as men of Israel. Why do you all wonder at this? Well, like, why do you're staring at this as though our own power or piety have made him walk? And it just then he just said, you know, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, God of our fathers, glorified his glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over. So it's kind of again, and it is kind of a seeker insensitive message. Yeah. But then, but then it's like uh he's he basically gives another sermon here. So it is, yeah, you know, and so but then he says in 19, repent therefore, turn back that your sins may be blotted out. Right. Times are refreshing may come.

Daniel’s Prayer For Mercy And Favor

SPEAKER_03 23:23

So yeah. I so the the what I wanted to because it just sparked this. Um along, you know, along my developing years as an adult following Jesus and beginning to learn about moves of God and seeking God for revival, God God really uh grabbed me one day when I was studying through the book of Daniel. Right. Um, and there's a section of a prayer that Daniel offers, and he's offering it um because the the temple had been destroyed, and he's he's praying to the sovereign Lord about restoring the temple and restoring his glory to the people and these kinds of themes. Amazing prayer in Daniel chapter nine, but I want to just grab three verses out of it because to me this feels like revival praying to me. So Daniel chapter nine, verses 17 to 19, I I just love the the love the focus that Daniel brings. God, this is really all about you, about your glory, and about the fact that your people bear your name. Right, right. And he keeps appealing to this is not about our righteousness, it's about the fact that we claim your name. So it's like this He says, Now, our God, hear the prayers and petitions of your servant for your sake, Lord, look with favor on your desolate sanctuary. Right. Give ear our God and hear, open your eyes and see the desolation of the city that bears your name. Right. And this is my favorite part of the whole prayer. We do not make requests of you because we are righteous, but because of your great mercy. Right. Like Daniel must have seen the gospel coming. You know, that's so such a great statement. And then then then he wraps up with this Lord, listen, Lord forgive, Lord, hear and act. For your sake, my God, do not delay, because your city and your people bear your name. Yeah, and and he he just grabbed me with the heart of that prayer because that that whole section of Daniel's prayer is about you know, your people, your city, you you know, you we could think of the church, you know, the big church, the big sea church. Yeah, but we bear your name, so for your sake, God, come and move. Not and I love this, you know. We make requests of you, you know, bring us back to life, not uh not because we are righteous, but because of your great mercy. Right. Like that that to me is such a great revival prayer.

God’s Purpose To Fill The Earth

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Yes. And I think right, and I think it's like a little bit like like the idea, maybe this the like the notion of God's and back to what you were saying at the beginning, the notion of God's intent towards uh I think first his people and then the land, right? It's the the notion of that God is uh is completely interested in it's not that and and maybe just to jump off of a little bit, like to carry on with what you were saying, it's not that just God has a plan, but the plan is to fill the earth with himself. Yes, right, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

Daniel was picking up on the fact that sovereign lord owns this whole planet.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Right. And so and and and it's like yeah, it's it's really that it this whole thing, like if God is going to revive a people or revive a region, it's good like the the notion of that actually begins with God. Yes, right, yeah, and it and it really is in alignment with his intent. Like we we've been lately hovering in the first chapters of Ephesians where it's like that you may be filled with the fullness of God. Right. Those kinds of things. There is a there is a outrageous grandeur and bigness to some of those things that that Paul is praying there. But it really is it's in alignment with, you know, the uh oh gosh, I'm not gonna remember this reference, but it's like that I think it might be, I think it might be Joel, where it talks about the the knowledge of the glory of God will, you know, basically fill the whole earth like the waters cover the sea. Right. Right. So it's like uh wish they could help you out. I know that's in scripture. I don't know the reference he could. But we yeah, but we but we there are these there there's these hints and references in places where where it's clear, like if you're connect some of the dots, it's clear that the intent and the heart of God, like you know, uh NT Wright would call it the the new creation, right? That he's talking about that it's really the so that all things are being made new. Right, right. So it's like yeah, so it's like the and the the thing that comes with all things being made new is the knowledge of the glory of God's right, you know, gonna fill the earth as the waters cover the sea, and it's going to be and it's going to be in this place where God's going to fill the whole the whole of the earth with himself. Yes. And so, yeah, and so I just think that's the place, and that's you know, that's the foundation for why God might be interested in reviving his people.

Surrendering Ownership Of Our Lives

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Right. And it's kind of unexpected that it would come that way. Um it's an unexpected thing for us as human beings to grapple with uh that that what I'm what what can hold back the purposes of God is that I think this life is about me. Like uh that that I think this life, or maybe my whole church thinks that our existence is to prove ourselves to God that we're worthy of his mercy. Right. As opposed to saying, no, you know what? Our real issue is that we think we belong to ourselves, yes, and this city and where we live belong to us. And we're thinking we think we're inviting God to actually take interest in this place when revival is actually humbling ourselves and saying we don't belong to ourselves, this place where we live doesn't belong to us. It actually belongs to the sovereign Lord. Yeah. Oh my soul, let's get low before him and repent of the fact that we mistakenly thought we were our own boss, this is our place we're inviting God into. No, we're saying God, we're returning to say it all belongs to you. What do you want to say to us about it? That's a shift that and I think people sometimes might think uh I and we are kind of a bit of a broken record by starting so many prayers. God, we don't belong to ourselves, we belong to you. But it's so foundational. Like I agree, you know, that that the God's agenda, uh our participating in God's agenda has to begin with us saying, We don't belong to ourselves. Yeah, we belong to you, God. We were made for your purposes. That's where we have to start. And to whatever degree I'm acting or believing like I do belong to myself and I can do what I want. Yeah, that has to, I gotta lay that down first.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Absolutely. And I think I think the Lord, I think the Lord, that's ultimately where the Lord is trying to convince our hearts is that this will I maybe this is maybe this is crass. Like if I but it's almost as if he's saying, this will go better if you like this will go better for you if you just realize that you that you know that I don't uh that you don't belong to yourself anymore. Right, right. Totally. This will this this will just like your heart will be at ease. Wow. You know, it's not may not be circumstantial, but it's certainly in uh in the measure of peace, joy, because it feels as though, again, I'm only using my life experience as as an example, but the times where it's the right the wrestle comes from is this, you know, is this something I want for myself, right? Or is this something that you have for me, Lord?

SPEAKER_03 32:00

Right, great. Because on the surface, it should seem like what an amazing thing to find out I'm God's responsibility, I belong to Him, I don't belong to myself. It seems on the surface like that would be a no-brainer. Of course I would grab that.

SPEAKER_02 32:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:16

But as soon as I get before God and I and I ask him to search my heart, heart over that, I become aware very quickly that that actually scares me. And I'm not ready to accept the fact that I don't belong to myself and I do belong to him, which means he can do whatever he wants with me, use me for purposes that frankly scare me. Yep. Like God, if I if you want to use me to fill my community with your glory, uh oh, that may not go so well for me. Like I'm gonna have to take stands and I'm gonna have to be out there.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Yep. But the here, I just want to jump off what you just said about the purposes that he has for you. Yeah, if God has a purpose for you, he's already designed you to fulfill those purposes. Right. And so I just think that this is a this is a question of you know, lordship, this is a question of ownership. Do I lay claim to own my own self? Yeah. Right. And and again, like we say, Yes, I do. Yes. I do with some and in some measure, right, there are some territories in our own heart where there are there are that we still lay claim to. Right. And and and the Holy Spirit's trying to convince us and convict us to the to the to letting go and you know, taking our flag down and you know, raising the banner of Jesus. Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

And so if anybody observes what you're talking about and they wonder, why the tears? Yeah, why are you laying flat on your face on the ground? Yeah, why are you getting down on your knees when nobody else is? Yeah, yeah. And I'm tearing up. But it's uh it's not easy to face within yourself that I know I have laid claim to myself. And it overwhelms us. And we don't know how physically we're going to need to respond to that, but it's very real. But it really does what you're doing, what you're laying out for us is exact like that. That's deep. That's like that's like personal investment in revival is me going, uh oh, it's real in me. Um, I've been uh the upset I'm feeling right now, it's because I don't like not getting my own way. Yeah, this past month hasn't gone my way, and I'm angry about it. Yeah, these past days.

SPEAKER_02 34:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

And we're like, I don't know what to say, God.

When Progress Feels Like Circling

SPEAKER_01 35:03

Yeah. You're yeah, I know, yeah. And I think the the I just think we're hitting on something so important. This this this and and the Lord is unrelenting in this, right? Like, yes, he and I think that just the like he isn't he may seem silent for times, but he hasn't forgotten where where you know the conversation is, you know, when it comes between and I'll say this too, like he has he's having a conversation with me personally and with each individual, but he's also having a conversation with his house. Absolutely. He's having a conversation with his region, yes, right? Like so, so and he hasn't, he hasn't forgotten where that conversation is. Yes, and he's jealous for his purposes in me, in you, yeah, in whoever's listening in this house. Agreed. He's jealous for that, and so and he's in that way, he's unrelenting. Uh, in that, like he's not, he may, he, he knows how to lead, right? Like, so he knows he knows the ebbs and flows of the conversation, right? Right. But he's not changed his mind about what he wants to do in me. Right. He's not changed his mind about what he wants to do in this house. Right. And he's not changed his mind about what he wants to do in this region and even in this nation. Amen. And so uh it's just important to rem it's important to remember that that you feel like you've I at times, you know, we may feel like we are we're like, you know, uh, do you ever I just immediately comes to mind these animations of you know, these people looking for a spot and there's these footprints that go all over the map, right? And it's like scattered, maybe even like the children of Israel in the wilderness. Right. There are times where it's like the the the um like it feels like the the the the trajectory of your life and the like the move the feeling like there's progress can actually feel stunted at times because we feel like well, I feel like I'm just circling the same things, yeah, right. When will I ever learn? When will I ever learn? Absolutely. And I feel like that's in a measure, in a measure that's there's truth to that. But because the Lord is we're having a conversation about things that we've had a conversation about for quite some time, right?

SPEAKER_00 37:37

And he hasn't forgotten.

SPEAKER_01 37:38

But the other, but the other thing is, is like you're not having you're not having like the like you're not repeating, you know, there's there's I I I'm I'm trying to I wanna I wanna get something here. Like, even if it feels like you're having the same conversation, it's not that you know the the things are progressing. Yes. I just I really want to communicate that too. It's like the Lord is like the Lord isn't um, you know, he's not interested in wasting time. And he's like, I just I don't know. I'm I'm I'm struggling to articulate this, but I just want I want to I want to encourage somebody today to say that even if it feels like you're circling the same thing, you're circling the mountain again, right? Like you're not like there is a the Lord's interested, he's interested in your heart, yes, but it feels like but just trust him that progress is being made.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

I agree so much that with that.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Yeah, yeah. I yeah, so it's not you're not wasting your time, you're not uh it's not a like when are you gonna get your crap together? Like the Holy Spirit's not doing that, yeah, but he's continuously inviting you forward. And if we seem to go back to these places, and again, like I'd say we can go back to these places personally, we can go back in as a house, we can go back as a region and as a nation. Because there's certainly we we've we've noticed there's certain dysfunctions that you know are that are in all of those places, yeah. But I just I feel just to encourage somebody that that God knows how to lead you, He knows the ebbs and flows of the conversations, yes, and He's and you are moving forward even if it doesn't feel like it.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

I I love that I love that. I it's like God has no interest in condemning or disqualifying you. And there are enough references in scripture to his knowledge of us before we were even born, yes, and to his design, his appointment for us, like the type of impact he wants us to have on the world around us. Like he has he has had dibs on every one of us since before we were born. Yeah, but he he's not interested in in condemning or disqualifying us. Yeah, he really is interested in taking what he has already always known about us, yes, the things he's never forgotten about, yeah, his purposes and his purposes through us. He is he is really focused on getting us back on track with that, no matter how many times we've circled around, how many times we've wandered. Absolutely. What he remembers and knows about us is his design and his purpose. Yeah.

Open Hands Over Performance

SPEAKER_01 40:34

This is this is so good. I just I feel like this is such a healthy conversation to uh to keep coming back to um is just the repentance. Yeah. And really the I I just I feel like the the Lordship piece is such an important part of the of the conversation as well, right? It's just this coming back, keep coming back to this place where we just say, I'm yours. Yeah, and everything I have is yours. Right. And you know, and again, it's not like you and I have never stood before the Lord saying those things, right? In fact, I lost track of how many times I've stood before the Lord with full honesty and integrity, saying, like, here I am, I'm yours. Right. And and in those spots, I'm doing the best I can with what I know. Yep. You know, and and and even the places in my heart, you know, even in the places in my heart where I feel resistant to that, I can still say that in faith. Right. I can still say that in faith. Yeah, there are play places in my heart where it's like, of course, like I am yours. I'm like my, you know, whatever. Well, in this area, that area, I'm I do I belong to you. Right. And I'm also at times aware of these places where it doesn't seem like that part of my heart belongs to you. Right. Because I feel like I, you know, I I want to hold it with a closed fist. But I can say it in faith, knowing that in actuality, I can trust your hand, Lord, to to to lead me to this place where that closed hand becomes an open hand. Right. And I I know that I can trust, I can trust your faithfulness in this. Right. And so, so there's this place of like, okay, so that's what that's you know, right? When we stand before the Lord and we just surrender our the heart posture, we have a heart posture of surrender, you know, and and I guess, you know, the enemy will, you know, is quick to come and say, Well, hey, that thing doesn't belong to you, so you're you or that thing doesn't belong to the Lord, you know, you're holding on to that, you know. You know, he would say, So clearly you must not mean what you were saying, right? Yeah, right, right. So I and I think the the thing that I want to just communicate with the performance. Yeah, you're like but I think there's a greater reality going on, right? It didn't, and it is really this place of like it's it's this open-handed coming before the Lord and trusting him with the parts that trusting him with the parts that are, you know, surrendered, yes, and trusting him with the parts that aren't surrendered. And I can speak right even over those places where I feel like there's a tension.

SPEAKER_00 43:32

Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

I can speak these pla the this faith, I can be a I can be prophetic in my declaration, I am fully yours, right? Right. Trusting God, you know, to uh because he's because he he's still having a conversation with me. Right, right. He's still having a conversation with this house, he's still having a conversation with this region. And so just to trust that, you know, even in the plot. Places where it feels as though there isn't it feels as though there it isn't. It's not surrendered. We can say I am yours in faith. Yes. And it be legit. Absolutely. Yeah.

Spring Renewal As A Revival Picture

SPEAKER_03 44:14

Yeah. Well, it's I I love the fact that that we that we have this season, usually in the spring of the year, yeah, for renewal, drawing near to God, bring, you know, like revival, a time of just listening to the Lord that we could get on back on track with him, but really a drawing near season, you know.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

For sure.

The Simple Power Of Turning Again

SPEAKER_03 44:38

Um, I don't think we I don't think this was our plan when we first started practicing this at this time of the year. But it is beautiful to know that it's at a time of the year where the season is about bringing back life and new growth. Yeah. Things bloom in a fresh way. Yeah. Everything around us, it seems like the world that was dormant a few months ago in the middle of winter is now going to come alive with new vegetation. And, you know, we've seen we've seen green grass a million times, but here it pops up again, and we're like, oh, look at how green everything is. You know, we've seen leaves pop out a million times, a million seasons, and yet we're still in awe when the when all of a sudden the greens and the flowers and the colors start coming back again. It's this is what is such a beautiful picture about what God will do if anyone humbles themselves and says, Yeah, regardless of what I think of my performance, God, yeah, I am coming because new life and beauty is in you. Yeah. And you you can be trust, you are trustworthy, and you can be dependent upon to bring new growth and beauty, no matter how many seasons I've come to you. Yeah. Saying, I don't know what happened. It doesn't seem like I'm growing. It doesn't seem like there's beauty. I'm here because I know you are my hope, God. Yeah. And just to anticipate the new beauty he wants to bring, because it is about new life, resurrection, and uh it just kind of, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

I just think, I just think, you know, and it feels like it feels like we should we should just land the plane sort of here on this line of conversation. Agreed.

SPEAKER_03 46:24

I we could talk all day. Yeah, we get we have more things.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

We actually have more things to talk about. So maybe maybe next week we can hit revival again. But yeah, you know, but just I think I feel like I feel like just to uh I feel like just to acknowledge like just again again the sovereignty of God in all of this. That I I really feel like these themes are important, the sovereignty of God, his commitment to you, his his ability, and even I think this is the part where I wanted to to bring up again, but like the simple rhythm of coming to the Lord, of turning your heart to the Lord, yes, is uh powerful, is probably more powerful than any of us realize. Yes, I agree. The simple, even if it's in, you know, uh uh let me just say it's repentance, it's thanksgiving, it's you know, adoration, worship, um, it's a supplication, like asking God for the even the the the reality of when we turn our hearts to him to eng to engage with him. There is something extraordinarily powerful about that. Yes, because number one, he loves it. Number two, he's designed us for it. Yes, but I feel like it's what we've done is open a door for his hand to in his hand by and by me, his hand, like the like by his hand, his spirit coming in, and we're we've opened the door to him and come and do whatever he wants in us. Yes. It's by the simple, the simple reality of the heart turning. Yeah, right. God, it could be, you know, I'm gonna say that it could be even in anger, it could be in frustration. It could be that's a good point. Right. Like it could be in a lot of, and you and I have been both of those things for sure with God, but the the the simple idea of continuously engaging with God is in response to, you know, again, I was reminded, and I've I've said this again in previous episodes, but these invitations over and over of of God to come, you know, in in Isaiah, I'm gonna you you might remember the reference, but it's the come, let's reason together, right? Let me. Let me again, I don't remember the right. It's okay.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

It's in my Bible.

A Prayer Of Surrender And Trust

SPEAKER_01 49:00

I really in Rev Revelation uh two and three, where the letters to the church, it's like it's like uh I think it's Laodicea where it's like coming by sapph or your eye. It's the invitation to come and engage with God. Yeah, right. So even in these places of anger and not knowing frustration, it could be worship, it could be, you know, all over the place in terms of, but it's I want to draw attention to the heart turning. Right, yeah, right. And the heart turning is an open door to God. Yeah. Like it could be, you know, if it is, if it is directed to God, it is an open door with God. Yep. And so so maybe, maybe just in this place, just pray. Um here here, even as we land the land the plane, maybe even bless the heart turning, you know, the heart posture that turns toward God and creates that space for engaging with God. Yeah. You know, and maybe I don't know whose whose turn it is to pray. Maybe I can just I think you prayed last time, but I don't I don't I don't I think we're doing a we do a terrible job of remembering.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

You are really onto something. I'd say yeah, I'll agree with you.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Yeah, so so if you've made it this far, one congratulations, but also two, let me just maybe if we can all just um just turn our hearts here in this moment consciously towards God, we can just say, Heavenly Father, here we are. And so, Lord, we just come before you. We've turned our hearts towards you. And maybe there are people here who are wounded, maybe there are people who are angry, maybe there are people here who feel lost, maybe there are people here who this is a this is a moment of worship and adoration. Lord, I bless every heart turning towards you, God, and even for my own heart. I just I'm so grateful that you have made this way, and you are taking this moment and you're working in this moment for your glory. And your glory looks like me becoming like Jesus. Your glory looks like Dan becoming like Jesus, and whoever's listening becoming like Jesus. So, so Holy Spirit, I ask that you would just do what you want to do in this moment in each of us, Lord. God, simple or profound, Lord, we bless that work of your hand. God, we just open ourselves up to you, God. The good, the bad, the mess, you know, the ugly, all of it, Lord, we belong to you. Like we just state, we just take down the banner of ourselves. Like I take the down the banner of Anthony, Lord, and we take down the banner of King's Church. We take down these banners of laying claim to the region we're in, Lord, and we just say, We're yours, I'm yours, I'm yours in faith, I'm yours in trust, Lord, I'm yours in the fruit that I see, Lord. I just say, I'm yours, God. So we surrender to you, God. We just say, Lord, would you in this moment come and do your work of refreshing, uh, conviction, healing, making us whole and making us into the likeness of your son. So I bless this moment right now, in Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 52:54

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Amen.

SPEAKER_03 52:57

Well, that's a wrap on this episode. It's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest as we all learn to hear God better.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

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